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What happened? by ejahnke

Things went wrong.  Things went right.  Mostly things went wrong because things went so right.

Everyone take a second, take a deep breath, relax…..ahhhhhhhhh…..

Don’t we all feel better?

No?  Then I guess I will need to do some explaining.  The majority of this is not aimed at anyone here, as this place has been civil for the most part.  Over on the site…things have been “four-lettered” quite a bit.

We expected a huge spike in traffic, but not as huge as it was.  Yes, there are angry/upset/puzzled/confused people out there right now…and boy do we know it!

To spin this as positive as possible, we had no idea that so many people would log on to the new site.  None.  We did not anticipate that many collections being moved at once.  We did not, and we could not have ever predicted it.

That is a good thing, but it’s obviously seen as a bad thing.  To prevent me from sounding like I know what I am talking about, and then having to answer technical questions about it, everything overloaded from the huge traffic spike and simply froze itself up (crashed.)

If you are wondering how that can possibly be a good thing–I told you I am spinning it–that means there are a ton more people out there in the hobby than predicted.  The worst of the doom and gloom about the slow death of the hobby that has been going on for years, for whatever reasons, can be lifted somewhat by the simple fact that there are that many people out there with that much interest.  That is something to keep in mind once this is all ironed out.

Now, with Pollyanna and spin done, let’s get down to some specifics–and I will be blunt, but don’t take it as me being a jerk or anything like that, it’s the simple truth.

1.  Way too many people just got on the new site and started doing things without using the tutorials.

This new site is a totally new CONCEPT, and it works, but you have to understand HOW to use it.

This is not a revamped Beckett.com, and this is probably not like anything you have used before…anywhere.

This new site is not hard to understand, but you can’t just start “fooling around” trying to use it and expect to be able to get anywhere.  It’s not like anywhere people have ever been before (most of them).

Throw away all the methods you used to use.  Stop asking where this or that is.  Don’t look for a page of links anywhere.  The “message boards” are gone.  This is a new type of message board, one that is not exclusive…it is all-inclusive.

It’s all gone.  It’s all different.  It’s all new.  Asking where things are from the old site are pointless now, they are gone.  You have to change your entire thinking process, and thankfully, adopting the new one is not hard–it is just different.

Just think that this is your very first time on Beckett.com, this is your very first time for everything here (well, there I mean).

Take the time to learn what it is, and how to do it, before you make a, “This sucks!” post.

Having said that, and this is terribly important, we understand completely that many people were not able to even do what I just said yesterday.  There were issues nobody could have predicted that snowballed…a vicious cycle started.

How is one supposed to learn how to do something when there is no way to get to the teacher?

Our complete apologies on that, we know it was a mess!  We are not hiding from it.  It stunk (or “sucked” since we read that 200+ times), but it is at very least a good sign there are more folks in the hobby than anyone thought.  (yes, that is 100% spin).

2.  The price guides-  they are there, they are everywhere.

Everything has it’s own page–from top-level general pages (Baseball, Upper Deck, Football, Topps–on and on) all the way down to an individual player.

The pricing is there.  Take the time to watch the videos, ask the right questions, and you will “get it.”

It is not at all a hard concept, if I can understand it, then a 3 year old can.  After all, I am not known as the sharpest pencil in the box, but at least I am sharp enough to know that I am not.

Slow down and take the time to figure it out.  Don’t just say something “sucks” because you don’t instantly understand it.  I am probably the worst person in the world about that.  When my daughter was coming, and right after she was born, I had to put together 453 things, and not once did I use the directions.

This web site is not like that.  You have to slow down long enough to grasp the concept, and once you do I swear you will understand it.

With that, there is no way in heck I can say you will LIKE it.

That would be terribly arrogant and big-government-ish.  However, understanding it is the key to explaining what it is you don’t like…not a post of “This sucks.”

Again, there is much I am writing today that may not apply directly to you.  You may be one of the many who has given us rational feedback, and we are listening and sincerely thank you for it.  However, I have to address everyone, and it’s often the “squeaky wheel” you have to aim at, and hope that the level-headed ones in the crowd don’t get offended.

We know about yesterday, no need to deny it, or hide it.  It was quite confusing, even to some of us.

Everything on the site is integrated.  You may only want to come to Beckett.com for one thing, but that entire concept is dead and gone.  This is the wave of the future…eventually that is.  :)

Everything fits together.  Once people grasp that they will grasp everything.  Long rows of links do not exist anymore.

The search bar is everything on the new Beckett.com.   It’s too bad it “broke” yesterday, because when all that happened…chaos ensued amongst some folks.  Some people were not bothered, they understood.  For every “you suck,” (OK, maybe for every 5 of those) there was a note from another person about how they understood because they had been there (in another company obviously) before in a site launch and seen what can happen when something breaks.

The site works…but it sure didn’t yesterday afternoon.  Making up your mind on a broken product is not helping anyone.  It broke, we’re sorry, and we are fixing it.

3.  Rumors: half-truths, spam and false information…trade fees.

Rumors are great.  There is an entire industry devoted to rumors and half-truths–it’s called the mass media…not Beckett Media.

We dropped the ball on something and did not realize we were doing it due to all of the madness, messages and crashing.

Beckett Media is not in the business of the bait-and-switch.  Eventually there will be fees to trade, we are not hiding that.  We want you to try the trade tools while they are free.  We want you to like them, and we want feedback on how to improve them.

Trading has long been confined to the message boards.  Many people, for whatever reason, are hesitant to join a message board due to the often clannish behavior on them.  It’s often hard for a “newb” (forgive me if that is not the current term, I am soooo 2005) to start up on message boards, and some people flat out hate talking (writing) at all.

That is not to say our boards were rough places at all.  They were pretty darn civilized, and do not fit the overwhelming stereotype that so many message boards have.  Also, older folks are still collectors, you darn kids out there cannot forget that.  You may have grown up with that concept, but other people didn’t and are not comfortable with it.

We wanted everyone to trade, not just the message board people…everyone.  Does that increase our revenue…you bet it does!  More traders = more trades = more revenue –pretty simple concept.

The thing we missed, and not intentionally, was to say, “Trading is free UNTIL AT LEAST THE END OF 2008, please go try it out.”

Again, it was taken as a bait and switch, or a scam, or a trick…which it was not.  We had no intention of starting to charge next week, or next month.  To be completely honest, we are not sure it will happen Jan 1, 2009.  It very well may not happen then, but for sure it will not happen before then.

We need the feedback.  We want to improve on the trade function.  We want to make it better.  We cannot charge someone for something new if it does not work.  We cannot have a certain group of members trading and nobody else.

So, go play with it, see what could be done better, and let us know about it.  Please don’t say, “it sucks,” unless you can tell us WHY it sucks.

Message board traders, we know you don’t like the change…but try to look on the bright side…more people to trade with now…more interest = potential to grow the entire hobby…

*Gasp!*  Does that mean more money for Beckett?  Of course it does.  This is a business.  If you people could see my paycheck you would wonder why I’d work here–it’s called love.  Plain and simple.  The vast majority of the people here are here for that same reason.

That is the same reason many of YOU came to the boards on Beckett.com, you love the hobby.  We love the hobby, too.  I promise you that.

4.  Deleted posts (goes with the #3 the rumors)

Has anyone noticed the same messages being repeated in all of our discussion boards?  There are a few spammers from other forums trying to capture traffic–ignore them as you would any other spammer. Spammers are roughly the same people that try to sell you something during your dinner, or flood your email inbox with junk mail.

They are not helping the situation, and if everyone took the time to understand all of this new stuff, they would be driven out just as they are anywhere else.  With that, we need to make sure that WE let people know that we are aware that not everyone talking about other sites is spamming, and we are not deleting peoples posts because they are saying things we don’t like, but we are deleting the spammers.

I say that because it would be impossible to deny that we are/have been/will be deleting posts.  We are.

If there is cursing (another thing that broke was our cursing filter)-DELETED.  If a post is spam-DELETED.

If a legit person makes a real and clean statement and got deleted, that was a mistake and sorry.  However, I would venture to say 99.9% of it fit one of those two things.  We are not here to hide things.  If people hide things, then eventually they are found out and the problem is WAY worse than it would have been had the truth been told in the first place.

5.  Collection Queue- It should not have taken this long.

You are right.  It should not have.  It’s taking a long time, and it’s not going to be fixed “right now.”  The system is working through them, and will continue to do so, and we will keep doing all we can to help the process along.  Be patient.  If your stuff is not there (all of it) AND you show the transfer is done, then let us know.  Flooding us with “how long” questions is only going to make you madder, and us more exhausted.

The information is there, it is just not moving very fast right now.  Things just broke.  This is a hardware issue, not a problem of the site, and we are doing all we can to get it hammered back into place.

There was just a bunch more than we were ready for.  That is good, now we know.

I have another list of 5 things to cover tonight or tomorrow–but eating is as important to me as collecting.  Without eating, I will eventually not be able to collect.  That goes for everyone at Beckett.

We know what happened was a mess.  All we can do is say that, and say we are fixing it.  It’s up to each person out there to take it upon themselves to learn (and many people have) what to do on the new site.

The tools are there (yes, we know you couldn’t get to them at some points), we are here for questions…and above all, we need your feedback.

Again, if I sound like I am being mean to anyone new here, I’m not…I am probably just too tired from the National and the last two days, I usually have a pretty dry wit anyway.  (some say smart a–, but in a gentle way).

TO BE CONTINUED–


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Amen! Thanks Eric – I couldn’t have said all that better myself. Our tagline is ‘Collecting Reinvented’ for a reason. This is a completely new collecting experience for everyone. Have fun with it!

Comment by Danielle Edlund

Naturally I forgot something (gee, imagine that) that I felt was important.

With the trading fees (again free until AT LEAST 2009) they may very well be included in online subscription fees, or as part of the many different packages we offer.

It may stay free for online subscribers, and those that don’t subscribe would have fees…

There are many scenarios we can see happening, but the only one we can be sure of is it’s free right now, and we need your feedback on how to make it better.

We just don’t know how the fee structure would break down at the moment. Things constantly change in the world, but the 2009 promise is all we can give you right now…

Comment by ejahnke

What you said is all fair and good, but the fact that you had to delay the site launch and said you did all this testing only to have this happen is not a good sign. Trading fees…also not a good sign considering I am a member of about five other sites that allow trades, sales and purchases for free.

I know there is a lot of stuff to catalog with the new system but why did you guys try to do it all at once? Wouldn’t it have been easier for users and gone smoother had you implemented some new things now, some next week and some more a month or two down the road?

Comment by Harner

Eric:

Thanks for the updates. Yes, it’s been a trip trying to relearn everything, but I’m slowly getting the hang of it. It’s been hard just weeding out the doom and gloom from everyone saying that they won’t come here again because of this, that, or something else that they now “miss” from the “old” forum. In fact, I’ve had to laugh at the number of people who posted on the message boards that they want the old boards back.

Thanks for pointing out the faults so far. I’m sure they’ll be fixed (in time). I still don’t understand the logic in charging for trades, but then again, the other sites that a previous poster brought up were not designed by companies.

Hope the glitches get fixed soon. I can’t wait to see what “My Collections” looks like after the trip over from the old site to the new one.

Sincerely,

JayBee Anama

Comment by James B. Anama

@Harner- –

All I can say is that we just did not have THAT many people testing…and the outside load tests that were done showed the server would be fine.

Like I said, we just did not anticipate that many people. Even with all the tests done there were flaws because we did not have the tests run at such a huge load.

I know you “get” what I am saying, but others may not, so bear with this–

For example, and these are totally made-up-by-me numbers here, for the purpose of keeping it simple…

We had an outside company run load tests for 100 people.
We did not have them run tests for 150 people.
Even worse, 200 people showed up.

Due to that, things overloaded and it all shut down little by little.

To the “all at once” question– I understand completely, and can agree to some extent, but since this website is all integrated we really could not put bits here and there. It had to all fit together and come at once.

If anything, we did not bring enough at once. This is still just the beta version of the new beckett.com. There are tons of projects still going forward that further expand the site, and we anticipate there will be many changes due to feedback from everyone as well.

It’s tough to embrace something new, but it’s impossible to embrace something new that flat out broke the first day.

Comment by ejahnke

@JayBee,

Thanks for the input, and the patient response…and we will keep working hard.

I showed up at the office this morning and there were 3 large pizza boxes in the normally empty trash can in the coffee area…meaning plenty of people were still there even after the night cleaning crew left.

(Sure am glad I only know just enough HTML to change colors on web sites…)

Comment by ejahnke

Forget the fact that “My Collections” still hasn’t trasnferred or that the site is very very very slow at times loading, but my biggest complaint is the “we are right, you are wrong and learn to live with it attitude” we have gotten from many of the mods at Beckett. If I have to read another “there are so many new features here, including charts and graphs, etc.”, I’m gonna puke. I loved the message boards for the reason that I can’t afford to buy boxes of cards, or many cards at all, but would stumble into the box breaks section and look at what other people pulled and kind of live vicariously through them. You can spin this any way you want, but that will never be the same and I don’t care what you guys tell me, that change is terrible.

Comment by Johnny Blake

Sorry if you felt that anyone was talking down to you, I am very sure they did not mean to come off that way–I am the biggest jerk at Beckett after all.

By the way, did you know there are so many new features here, including charts and graphs, etc?

Sorry, couldn’t help it.

Seriously though, the box breaks are not gone. They are just not containerized in the old style message boards like they used to be.

We have a page for all the major card companies out there, they will be there. We have a page for every sport, they will be there. They are just not where they were…nothing is.

Comment by ejahnke

Let me pose another question…was there any way to have the beta site and the old site running at the same time? That way all of the users could go back to the old site until all the bugs get fixed. Just another thought I had.

Comment by Harner

@Harner – from what I understand, that would only make things worse by further bogging everything down. I wish I could explain that better, because we did have them both running at the same time during beta testing…just not with the massive numbers.

I will get a more concrete answer if I can, but it may be tomorrow.

Comment by ejahnke

No running both sites wasn’t possible. We couldn’t keep opg subs, posts, collections, etc. synchronized and updated on both sites as different activity took place. We did lots of testing – including internal, some beta testers and external load testing. However, until thousands get on and try to upload, convert, etc. at one time, we couldn’t do true load testing.

Things should be improved constantly. We have a long list of bugs that are being worked on as we speak…..or type.

Comment by Steele

Alright cool. I’m not a computer whiz so I was just trying to better understand some stuff. Thanks for the help.

Comment by Harner

Are you high? Do you sniff glue? How in the hell could you not have anticipated beckett users logging into their accounts? And your trade system does suck here is is why. I cant get into my organizer to switch the cards to show which are for trade. its been well over 24 hours and I keep getting that error message telling me to hit F5

The new launch was a flop there is no point in trying to disguise it with problems that should have been foreseen.

Comment by foley

Yes, I am high. Nice way to get attention.

Comment by ejahnke

Of course a buisness would like to make “more” money. I dont think you are human (or a hippie) if you dont like money. Obiously you are for this new site. And who can blame you, you work there. But if I was a new collector and I stumbled onto your web page, can you give me reason to pick your website before anyone elses?

Why would I want to join that forum if I would or would not pay to trade?

And then you think to yourself:

Why would I want to join if I would Eventually have to pay later on? whats the point in even signing up and “giving it a shot”.
Im only 14 and dont have a job, I only get $20 dollars in allowence and spend all $20 at the hobby store once a week.
I dont have a credit card to even give beckett money to trade anyway.

And at that point you wont even want to sign up on “your site” and will just sign up at “the other site”. Because its easier to navigate and its free.

I am 24 years old, I do have a credit card, and make alot more then $20 a week. The truth is that your web site is looking for all the wrong ways to make money. It makes people uneasy. And when people have a choice to stay or go, they will just leave. There is no other way around it. Hopefully you can convince people to come to your site other then charts, graphs, paying to trade (but may not) (that wont fly), and a forum that isnt user friendly.

Without any changes, I can almost guarentee the online buisness will be slower then ever.

Good Luck in the future

Comment by Andrew Rammairone

I think the one single biggest complaint that most everyone has…other than the 6.00 fee that is is concerning what happened to the message boards. I understand the upgrading the site stuff, the collections (er organization or whatever it is called now) anwhat not. The message boards however did not get any upgrades that I can see, they just changed. to something that is RADICALLY different from any message board that I have ever seen.

I am somewhat Tech savy (at least I think I am) and I was completely confused by the site. Everything was so organized on the old board…and so not on the new one. I finally admitted that I needed help so I went to the help links (I don’t read directions to assemble stuff either) and….well I read your post..You know what happened.

My question is why didn’t anyone mention (or yell from the rooftops) what a enormous change this was going to be. I think like everyone else I logged in to see an improved site only to find a different site. One I didn’t kn ow how to use, couldn’t figure out myself,a dn quite frankly was a little scared by. If we would have been better informed on how drastic things were gonna change you probably would have gotten more Beta help (or better qualified beta help)

But rant over…There is no real way to unspill the milk, I guess I will have to clean up the mess and adapt. That said best of luck to you and the rest of the Becketteers, I do not envy your lives this week :)

Comment by themadmonkey

Eric,

Totally different spin here…

I don’t mind the message boards because I’ve NEVER once used them.

I don’t care about the trade fees because I’ve NEVER traded at Beckett.

I also don’t care because as bad an idea as I think the trade fees are, I can 100% ASSURE you that Beckett will tie the fees into the subscriptions in some way shape or form. And, because I’m a subscriber, I don’t care about the fees.

If they don’t…I can’t see how you guys can stay in business. The hobby is expensive enough as it is to go and charge for trades. Especially considering the free sites, which I personally feel have always done a better job at trades than Beckett. Not a pot shot. Just my opinion.

I don’t care about the new site because I learned it in just under 12 minutes. Seriously, if you can’t figure out the site, stick to coloring books, getting the square blocks in the square holes, and scratch and sniff stickers. It’s not that difficult, people.

HHEERREESS my problem:

I’ve been a subscriber for months, if not over a year. I log in at least 3,317 times a day (get the tech guys to check the stats…they’ll confirm.) I pay good money to keep my collection organized. I have a massive collection and it just isn’t feasible to track it via Excel, Access, Word, etc… NOBODY has a better database system than Beckett. That’s why I pay the above mentioned “good money”.

I use MY COLLECTIONS to organize my trades, my eBay sales, and to “nerdily” see what I have on a constant basis. Inaccurate prices be damned…

Why in the h-e-double hockey sticks would I have to “initiate” that my collection be “integrated” into the new site. I started this process last night and I’m now still well over 3,000 on the list to have my collection transfered over! Why didn’t you guys have the foresight to move this stuff without instigation on my part?

Hey, you there, the guy that hasn’t paid a nickel to Beckett for anything. Yeah, you, I’m talking to you. YES, you, nimwit! Quit complaining about Trades Charges, absentee message boards, and having to wait for your NONpaying, NONsubscriber online collection of Jay Buhner Cards to load. SO WHAT! It’s been free to you the whole time.

You’re probably the same guy/gal that got p@#%ssed off when NetZero went to $9.99 per month.

I on the other hand PAY you guys, Eric, when friends like Mario and Gellman belittle me for it. I still do it because it works for me.

BUT NOW, I’m sitting here like a sheep to the slaughter being told how everything is going to be fine and how I should just to look to the hills from whence cometh my Beckett.

I agree with most everything you’re saying here because it sounds to me that most of your complaints are coming from uneducated people who haven’t contributed monetarily for any of the services Beckett offers.

I on the other hand, “ain’t no idiot” and have paid my dues. I have tried the site, learned as much as is available at this point, don’t care for the message board or trade issues, and am now…hold on let me check…ok, I’m back, sorry…in the 3,015th place to have my “money’s worth” migrated over…

All of that being said…

This Sucks…

If my situation doesn’t warrant me the right to say it, then maybe Beckett isn’t for me anymore…

Wanna make me happy since I “paid” for this? Hit the tech guys up in the morning and tell them to move me up the list past anyone that isn’t paying for it.

Comment by jv

“Why in the h-e-double hockey sticks would I have to “initiate” that my collection be “integrated” into the new site. I started this process last night and I’m now still well over 3,000 on the list to have my collection transfered over! Why didn’t you guys have the foresight to move this stuff without instigation on my part?”

To be frank, I was as surprised as you are to hear that. But, to be fair, I have not asked why that is yet…because it makes zero sense to me as well.

I am sure there is a reason–OK, there better be a reason… :)

I will find out. If there is no reason, I will smack someone, but not anyone that could actually fire me….which really means I won’t be smacking anyone at Beckett.

Comment by ejahnke

To be honest the new message board is a mess. There’s a reason that 99.9% of message boards on the internet use software more comparable to the old message boards. The inability to load multiple tabs worth of threads is a huge mistake on your part. The speed of the new site is also much slower. The organization of the message board is lacking to say the least, its nearly impossible to navigate as far as getting to the page that you want to when it comes to the message boards. You say watch the videos, but as a person who is very competent with the internet, why would I want to waste my time learning a message board system that you yourself have admitted is less than anything else we’ve ever used. Not to mention there are plenty of easier and more organized alternatives.

To the guy who claims that he is the only one who spends money and thus the only one who should have his claims heard, lets get serious. Anyone dedicated enough to this site to post a comment, positive or negative, has likely spent some money either on a subscription, grading, the OPG or something else entirely. The reason these people are complaining is that they care. Figure it out.

Comment by Wes

I should add that it was noted that someone responded by saying that losing some 250 members was an insignificant number. However, if you take into account that the majority of those members who were mentioned had an average of 5000 posts, that adds up to roughly 1,000,000 hits alone. I can say with certainty that I will be visiting the site much less if at all due to the message board changes. I was a user who visited the site and made posts perhaps some 20-25 times per day.

Comment by Wes

It’s great that Beckett has come forth admitting things did not go as smoothly as they could have. However, I’ve said it already and I’ll say it again–if you need to post video tutorials to help people understand, then you’ve already made it too complicated.

People came here pre-2.0 because of the message boards, plain and simple. It’s admirable that you are trying to make it more than that, but you can’t take away the basics. I’m referring mainly to the organization of the forums. I see main ones for Baseball, Football, Hockey, etc. No pricing, no box breaks, just one big mix of everything for the sport (or non-sport for the others).

Saying you are looking for feedback is well and good, but I know personally of many people who have migrated away from the site permanently. I’m probably in that boat as I simply don’t use the My Collections or intend to trade here. Yeah, I know, why listen to someone who is leaving. I’m simply expressing concerns of all those that have been part of the exodus.

Maybe with all the press and advertising you’ll draw more people in than you lose–I really hope so. But you’re losing people like myself that have been here for more than 5 years.

That has to be worth something, no?

Comment by weasel-king

@wes-

Don’t fall for the half-read message board BS.

You can read for yourself what was said. There was a board user trying to twist words. I am sure so he could dash over to where ever and paste what he had copied.

When he threatened me (hahahahaha) that if I knew who people were I’d change my tune, I was so scared that the baseball card mafia was coming to get me.

So funny, but that is how things go with kids these days.

Comment by ejahnke

As a collector in this hobby for almost 30 years… I can honestly say that I’ve bought my last OPG, my last printed magazine, and have visited the site for the last time. For many of the reasons Wes has eloquently stated above:
– inability to load multiple pages
– the message board disaster
– the de-segregation of hobby talk vs pricing info vs box breaks – I just don’t get this one… really I don’t.

But the last straw is the $6 for trading. For a bunch of reasons:
– I get no increased accountability for my money.
– It is free on every other sports card trading site in the world.
– Anyone who does not have a credit card is pretty much out of luck.

I guess in the last case, if you want the future of this hobby (under 18) to go somewhere else because they don’t have CCs, congratulations, mission accomplished.

At the end of the day, Beckett is a business, yes, but for 99% of us, it is still a hobby. I’m not going to use my precious hard earned hobby dollars on this site for the privelige of doing something that I can get for free everywhere else.

And if the traffic that has migrated to other sites is any indication, it is much more than anyone at Beckett Media is willing to acknowledge publicly.

Comment by cards-gotta-go

Im sorry, but the denial from yourself and beckett’s spin is funny. I know for a fact that other sports card forums took a significant increase of traffic because of your new blunder of a website. Beckett was my first website I went to to talk, trade, and sell in my hobby. Then you created the marketplace and “Beckett Media”. So you banned selling on the discussions boards. Ok. I got over it. But then you created this disgrace of a website that I WAS been a member for 4 years, now I can not leven og on. You lost people’s repuations, their collection list, trade history. If it was not for other sites, people may not know who are the good hobbiest and who are the scum that steal from others. I hope your failure of a website hurts Beckett the most, their wallet. Then maybe you will respect the collectors instead of trying to tap into their wallets.

Comment by Nick

One more thing, I like how the site Admin will deleate accounts at request instead of being more professional in customer service. Nice way to promote the new site, if you dont like it, get out approach. Nice.

Comment by Nick

Besides all the changes that will take a while to get accustomed to, my biggest problem is why change the names of everything. It makes no sense to me that you have to go to the “news” tab to find box breaks. Changing everything around is bad enough, but then renaming things makes no sense at all, no matter what kind of reasons are given.

Comment by Reed Newman

Eric,

I realize that you’ve been bombarded with various message board posts and apparently threats now (hopefully the “baseball card mafia” hasn’t found your home address), so I’ll try to keep this short.

I just wanted to let you know that there are people out here (like me) that appreciate your honesty and insight about the new beckett.com. I’ll admit that I was one of the people confused (slightly angrily) by just how new it is and why certain things were gone and why other things didn’t work.

Too many people. Systems crashed. Life moves on.

Got it.

Things happen. It would be stupid to expect you guys to have every single scenerio ironed out and perfect before the new site went live. Is it annoying? Yes. Is it inconvenient? Of course. But what else is to be expected with a totally new site? I hate change as much as the next guy, but I get used to it. I was concerned that there is no more central place to find links for box breaks and news from beckett, but honestly, I only really collect football and basketball, so I will probably like only seeing articles and posts for those sports.

Thanks again for your efforts. One thing’s for sure, I would not want to be in your place right now.

Dave

P.S. very appropriate YouTube video here…

Comment by Dave

Eric,

I believe you took that comment wrong. It wasn’t meant to be along the lines of the baseball card mafia was coming to get you, I think Raymond’s point is that you were losing very loyal magazine subscribers, people who spend thousands of dollars a year on grading, and are an active part of beckett.com.

C

Comment by Chris Talley

Nice decision to re-invent the Internet Beckett. Don’t you think it was a little late to do that. Part of what makes/made the Internet so popular was its accessibility and the fact that you could intuitively navigate web sites. People don’t want to watch tutorials to navigate a web site. They go elsewhere.

Comment by Todd

Way to focus on a small portion of my post. Would love to see what you have to say to the rest of it.

Comment by Wes

Why not host a webinar to discuss the site, problems encountered, improvements, and FAQs?

That way you could get everyone’s questions directly and demo how the site would work. Just my 2 cents.

Comment by JRJ

@Chris Talley– If I took his (Raymond?) point wrong, then he did not read what I wrote correctly, and I did not read what he wrote correctly.

I never “pissed” on anyone, as someone gleefully pointed out when I wrote the quote below. I merely said there was nothing I could do about that right then, and we would of course try to get them back. If they did not like it, they need to realize that I could have lied.
————
“256 less people is not good, but that is not many people in the overall scheme of things.
Blunt, but honest. I know we will try to have them back here…but what can we do right now? (not a thing).
————

I’ll contact him, perhaps we both read/took it wrong.

Comment by ejahnke

Well, I am one of those that is not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I understand that problems, crashes etc happen when new things are implemented. God knows, I have been with businesses that have gone with new systems, things don’t always go as planned. Add to that the learning curve as with everything. I am a wait and see person, and will give the benefit of the doubt where doubt is due.

My question to Beckett is this:
Would you be so kind as to list up your priorities at this time.?
I understand that everything cannot be fixed at the same time, each has to be prioritized and dealt with. Giving us an idea of what you are working on to fix first and so on, will give us all a better understanding on how things are progressing. As it is now, it is hard to know what is being dealt with and what will take a little longer to “fix”

As a revenue company, I can understand that OPG, Subscriptions etc, will be high, message boards are probably the least of your worries at the moment.

Just an idea of where your starting and basically some kind of time frame would be appreciated.

Thanks and Good Luck
I am sure the site will be awesome once up and running smoothly.

Comment by Torcan07

@ Wes–What would you like me to say that I have not already said?

OK, I heard you? That would only make you mad. Whatever comment I make would only be a repeat. I am not ignoring what you said, but there is nothing I can do that would make you feel better about what changes have been made.

They are made. There is no going back. The message board guys are ticked off.

We know. We do care. However, there is nothing that can or will be done to return to the old message board. Use what we have created…give us feedback, and we will go from there.

Complaining with no solution or even a question is going to be ignored. Sorry, those that want help will get it…those that want a place to vent can do that as well, but don’t expect us to get into a shouting match with you.

Comment by ejahnke

I don’t subscribe to the theory that the “Customer Is Always Right” but I also can’t imagine taking the stance “We Know Better, You’ll Eventually Like It.” From what I have seen here and on some of the responses from Beckett staff on some of the postings I was able to find, this is the approach that is being taken.

The new design is pleasing and could have been achieved without losing the basic functionality that users have been accustomed to.

There are minor things that can be done that will help alleviate many of the complaints:

1) Forums list or Category list – what they are trying to achieve with linking topics to individual teams, cards, sets, etc can still be used with a category assigned to that post where you can select a category of posts to look at.

2) Online Pricing Guide – Have a simple drill-down page where you can go from:
Sport -> Year -> Set without having to do a search and then narrow it down and then only being able to look at one set at a time. Before you could get 2008 Topps for instance and choose all the parallel/inserts you wanted to see and see all the pricing on one page. Now you have to go subset by subset.

3) Trading – the issue of whether or not to charge on trading is a business decision made by Beckett not a usability issue. With many other options out there and no added value for the payment (trader protection, identity validation, etc) I don’t see how it will be an effective business policy. Only time will tell when they start charging.

Of all the items, the one I am most concerned about is the OPG because that is what I used the most. I like the TotalAccess plan with included NRP but would only resubscribe if there are changes made where I can lookup an entire set in 30 seconds like before and not 10 minutes.

Beckett is a business and I’m sure they didn’t intend to cause the problems and unhappiness that occurred and they’ll have to deal with how their decisions affect future revenue.

An an IT director, I’m just happy that I wasn’t the one that made the call on this redesign and premature launch. I would have my resume ready to go.

Comment by Robert

“Complaining with no solution or even a question is going to be ignored. Sorry, those that want help will get it…those that want a place to vent can do that as well, but don’t expect us to get into a shouting match with you.”

But we’re not getting help. I had a question sit in the Help Forum for an hour and 40 minutes before someone in the Baseball Forum answered my question in the thread I posted there about the same thing. It would be nice if there were actually people around to help during the transition, or decent text based help. Don’t tell me there are videos either, that will only annoy me more than I already am at that site.

Comment by Chris Talley

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I’m not looking for a pat on the back, just acknowledgment. I made some specific critiques about the new site and to simply brush them off as “there is no going back” seems callous and foolish on Beckett’s part. Ignoring important customers doesn’t seem to make much business sense to me and I would “like you” to say that you are taking our comments and critiques into account and that there can still be changes in accordance. If you missed the suggestions/solutions in my previous post I can copy paste those for you.

It certainly doesn’t sound like you really care that much if you’re not taking these things into account. Plenty of people are giving you feedback but it sounds like your response is “too bad so sad, watch videos, can’t go back.” You say “we will go from there,” which is on the right track,” but by simply saying everyone who doesn’t like the site is a complainer and has no solutions it makes you look like you just don’t care.

Comment by Wes

@ Wes–absolutely not what I mean, but I understand where you are coming from.

I was saying I only have time to answer questions, not to debate the merits.

I understand, and we understand that the message board guys are mad.

It’s not, “too bad so sad,” at all. However, it is what it is and I am glad to help.

Comment by ejahnke

I can only echo what I’ve read here — I have not the time, patience or inclination to sit around and watch tutorials on how to use a web site when I can find something extremely functional and free that will soon be filled with former Beckett.com users.

What was the point of this? Maybe it was born of a desire to make the collecting experience easier and more enjoyable. Maybe it was a desire to increase revenue. Perhaps it was, to quote Abe Simpson, “a little from Column A and a little from Column B”.

But Beckett didn’t make the experience easier. Instead, it managed to alienate a large part of its loyal user base to the point where they were fleeing to alternative sites. Will some of them come back? Sure they will. But a big chunk of them will at the very least split time and, at worst, are gone for good.

Was this actually tested on board users? Did they say, “Oh, sure, ditch the current system completely and go to a set-up where absolutely nothing works in the fashion it did before — we’re cool with that!” I doubt it. If not, why make such drastic changes? Because you think it’s the “future” of

If part of the answer is that issues occurred because Beckett failed to take into account the number of people who would visit the site at its launch (despite the massive bulidup and knowing its own traffic patterns and user rolls), well, wow — I assume some people will be canned.

As for the $6/month being tossed around, if Beckett has to have it to survive/be more profitable, so be it. Unfortunately, there are plenty of other places to go and pay no fee that don’t require tutorials and an investment of time. In addition, not having any idea of when the fees will be implemented, what they will entail and what the benefits to paying to trade will be — no one saw that would be an issue? Well, I guess no one saw trying to force people to learn to use a new web site would be an issue …

Finally, quoting from above …

“It is not at all a hard concept, if I can understand it, then a 3 year old can. After all, I am not known as the sharpest pencil in the box, but at least I am sharp enough to know that I am not.”

Thanks for the condescension — it certainly makes me want to come back and work harder to learn your site.

Comment by Wayne Frazer

For what it’s worth, we are taking every question and every serious comment and passing them on to the person who can answer it, or can fix it.

That said, there are only so many of those people, and it’s not like we don’t care–we do–it’s just people need to understand there are only so many of them, and they have a load of questions.

It’s not a matter of ignoring, it’s a matter of time.

Comment by ejahnke

“We must cultivate our gardens.” — Candide

Comment by Dr. Pangloss

Don’t listen to the whiners. You guys are doing a great job! First the mag and now the site. You’re going in the right direction. Exactly the direction most of us predicted you’d be heading when you went corporate a few years back.

If not for the latest moves, some other sites may have folded. Buy you’ve managed to up their membership numbers in the hundreds this week.

Keep up the great work. Looking forward to the next tweak on the magazine and website.

Thumbs up!

Comment by Chris

@Wayne- Dry wit, not talking down. Self-depreciating humor is my forte.

Comment by ejahnke

But a matter of time until what, E? All I can infer from the stance Beckett seems to be taking is, “You’ll like it once you put in the time to understand it.” Why would I take the time to do that when a) Beckett had a perfectly good system it dumped and b) Beckett plans to charge me for the same features I can find for free elsewhere?

Does Beckett think there’s so much wonderful other stuff on the web site we’ll all have to come back? Aside from the OPG, what is it? I can say I almost never read the articles or watched the box breaks. I was simply a user of the boards.

Of course, maybe this is the best way to go. Aside from my money for my OPG, what was I really doing for Beckett? Eating up bandwidth and occasionally bashing it on its own site? Maybe all of us leeches will go where it’s free and Beckett will be able to focus on paying customers and selling product.

This might work out for you guys after all.

Comment by Wayne Frazer

Here is a suggestion:

On the discussion pages, make the box with the actual discussion topics bigger so a person can view more of the list of topics at one time. It is already difficult by having to scroll down the page to look at that box, but now you can only view up to 6 topics at a time and have to scroll that box even further down. With all of the trade requests and just regular posts, those sport specific discussion pages are filling up with a lot of posts and I spend more time scrolling in that little box and getting frustrated and just leaving.

Comment by Reed Newman

I have some Questions
How many beta testers were there?
How many of those testers were not an employee of Beckett, and also not a Mod on the messageboard?
How many of those testers were actually contacted to folow up on their testing?
And finally, when doing the load tests, how many people did it test for?

Is there anyway of seeing some progress reports on the new site? Wouldn’t mind seeing the process and if any concerns were brought up, but were not acknowledged.

Comment by Matt J.

@ Wayne- We don’t think that way, we wanted everyone using Beckett.com to be included in everything. We know the old boards were popular, and the new ones take some adjustment–but this is what we have now. I can’t change it.

@Reed- All suggestions (besides “you guys suck”) are being passed on to the design team. Thanks for the rational feedback on that. I agree with you on the window size.

@Matt J.–Seriously, do you think I could give you that kind of information? Sorry , man.

Comment by ejahnke

Just wanted to say thanks to the design & management team at Beckett for the rollout of your new website. Our membership has risen exponentially! It’s fairly obvious that no real collectors were involved in the design process, nor included in any beta testing… because if they were, the site would look MUCH different than it does. Someone said it earlier – to need tutorials shows that it’s too complicated in the first place. Based on this I’ve cancelled my OPG subscription.

If you really wanted to upgrade the site for all collectors to be pleased about the look, feel, community and hobby impact, you should have copied my site. :)

Good luck.

Bruce Almighty
HobbyInsider.net

Comment by Bruce Almighty

Good for you Bruce!

I am glad your site is doing so well, and good luck in the future!

Comment by ejahnke

Cant give it to me because you dont have it, or its to confidential?

The last couple questions I can understand. But the first 3 or 4 why cant you?
With the first 4 questionsit woudl answer a lot of questions users have. If there were only 10 beta testers then we can understand why so many problems, with a couple hundred or more, then we cant understand why there would be problems.

Comment by Matt J.

I don’t have that information, but if I did I am sure I wouldn’t release it.

Comment by ejahnke

Were you one?

Comment by Matt J.

Umm yeah.. about those videos you’re making for us. Ever thought of making some for your deaf collectors? It’s the main reason why you’re quickly losing me as a collector, because I am deaf and cannot understand a word in your videos. Seriously, do you not think people using the internet can’t hear? I want to see videos with subtitles, if not, you’ll be discriminating against deaf people and will lose me as a collector and beckett “fan” forever.

Comment by Krista

Why r all these people crying about the same thing over and over?
If you people at Beckett really cared about collectors you would delete all the crybabies posting.
ALL of them say the same thing!
WHAAAAAA my message board is gone. WHAAAAAAA i dont want to watch the video. WHAAAAAAAA I want to sit on the site for free and not pay for things WHAAAAAAAAA I am gone, I am gone, I am gone, I am gone
Delete them, they are children anyway. I dont understand the new beckett all the way but I would not waste my time sobbing over it I would learn and move forward its what is wrong with America, all these spoiled kids throw fits to get what they want. THAT is what is wrong here.
I know the power of the delete function is tempting but do not be scared to use it. They are keeping real people from getting help and that is me!!!!!!!!!

It is like Beckett lifted a box in the garage and the message board roaches went running and scatteriung all over the place.
If they are going–>GO! Just shut up for everyone’s sake or get squished.

My 2 cents, thanks

Comment by Al Bundelicious

@ Krista –

http://beta.beckett.com/group/471639//Collection/Help/

There is everything you need in one place…

Comment by ejahnke

@ Matt – Seriously, I am not giving out any kind of information like that, no matter how you phrase it. Sorry I can’t help you there, but I am more than willing to help you with anything else.

Comment by ejahnke

@ Al –

Um, that is an….interesting suggestion, but I don’t think I am going to be passing that on to the design team. People do need a place to vent…the site crashed after all.

Comment by ejahnke

Just think though…If Beckett does delete all the whining posts and lets all the users that aren’t happy go. You can have an entire site populated by people as cheerful as Al Bundelicious. I am pretty sure he would never find something to complain about. It seems so against his nature.

What I don’t get is. I really want to keep being a Beckett user, but Beckett doesn’t seem to care. Or cares as long as it is on their terms. I get it. the new site cost alot to roll out. I am sure peoples jobs and such hinge on it’s success. But to tell us that there is no way to go back or at least modify the new site to more resemble the old site is just wrong. I do this sort of thing..there is no such thing as no going back. There is not wanting to for financial and personal pride reasons and I think that may be what we (the beckett memebers) are up against, in which case we are in for a long battle… But I am pretty sure Coke said there was no going back when they released new Coke. and they did put up a good fight. But who won in the end?? Just something to think about.

Comment by themadmonkey

One last positive thought. At least we care enough about Beckett to actually voice our displeasure and try to change things. Wecould have just left and not looked back. Not like that will make anyone there feel alot better but….It’s a start. :)

Comment by themadmonkey

I never comment on things like this but somehow you have compelled me.

I just want to make a few points. The basic rules of Web2.0.

1.) Web 2.0 should not require lessons, by it’s definition it is a more user friendly user defined experience.
2.) If no money is changing hands (eg. trading, message boards) you can’t charge for it, if you do, it is not set up properly. People will NOT use it.
3.) What is wrong with a message board? People love forums, most sites most heavily used functions are their forms, to get rid of them is simply a bad move. All you had to do to avert most of the venom from the users is:
– Make the message board visible and easy to get to.
– Maintian everyones post count and PM’s. Really, that would have eliminated a huge portion of the problem.

If you don’t believe me that a site can be free and sucessful, let me give you some examples.

1.) Facebook – Web 2.0, 100% free, one of the most commercially successful websites on the net.
2.) Google – Web 2.0, I think this is obvious
3.) Last.fm – Web 2.0 Tracks the MP3’s played n your computer and Ipod and suggests new songs for you to listen to.
4.) Other examples:
Slashdot.org, cbc.ca, myspace.com, photobphotobucket.com, yahoo.com.
These are not small companies, all are free to use.

Why not follow the last.fm model, they track everything imaginable about music and help the user find more music they like. They then sell the information gathered to radio stations and record labels, make money from advertising and also sell silly little avatars to the users.

Beckett could do the unthinkable with all of this free information you want us to pay to provide you, such as:

1.) Use all of this now very track-able and useful data to sell back to the card companies so they get real data on what the hobby public is really going after.
2.) Further use the data to create a stock exchange type price guide. You should have no problem doing this now. The more a particular card is traded the higher the “stock value” of the card would be.
3.) Sell us upgrades, not memberships. You know like cool avatars. People wear their donor icons like badges of honour on hobbyinsider.net.
4.) Use the data to suggest new products that fit the users trade/buying history. Guess what, they might even take your advice and buy it from the marketplace.

One last thing. I am not a child, I am a grown adult with a good job and I have spent a lot of money with your company over the years. You guys can do anything you want with your site, it is yours. The smug attitude of the blog (whether it is bad humor or not) is making people mad. Beckett had a large user base with a lot of time invested into your message boards. You took it away from them, of course that is going to upset people. Telling me to not be upset and watch a video makes me more upset. I suggest you think of a new approach to win back the now 300+ members you have lost to the other site I trade on.

Comment by Gazza

@madmonkey- I am sure they thought of similar scenarios, but I can’t speak for them in exact terms like that.

I am glad that people like you do voice displeasure! It’s how we learn to improve. Saying, “this sucks I am gone,” without trying is deflating, but that is the way things are sometimes.

I have voiced my own displeasure on some things. Nobody is ever totally happy with radical change.

The old website was stagnant and there was nothing more that we could do with it. We had to change, or we’d be out of business.

Comment by ejahnke

Oh one other question, if I sign up for free trading, will my credit card start getting auto billed in January when you start charging for trades?

I have not been able to find this information anywhere.

Comment by Gazza

Why cant I select all the cards a player has at once to make a checklist for myself like I could do with the old My Collections?
Only way I can find to add to a collection is to do it one by one. Please dont tell me that is the only way.

Comment by IceCreamTruck

An interesting viewpoint, Al Bundelicious… perhaps Bundelicious means “Muir” in Beckettese? Tooting your own company’s website by pretending to be a “member”… we’ve entered a new low.

To ejahnke:

How come you are the ONLY person from Beckett responding to ANY question or concern? Are you a manager there? An editor? The VP? I’m curious as to your role within the organization and why the Director of Data Publishing has not provided your customers feedback on this situation in depth and ON http://www.beckett.com instead of your blog.

The Cheese

Comment by The Cheese Stands Alone

@ Garza – you are obviously passionate about this, that was a well thought out comment. The error that the majority of the message board members make is that they were the only ones. They were not.

That does not mean we don’t care about them, but changes had to be made to our website or it was doomed. It was as full as it could get, and there was nothing that could be done for growth.

What you see now is the barest of the bare bones of what the new Beckett.com will be…and it’s running on a broken, overloaded server.

Sorry if I sound smug, but there is just absolutely nothing anyone can do to bring the message boards back. Personally, I hate that the message board people are upset. I just wish they realized why this had to happen.

Comment by ejahnke

@ Garza–I should have answered on the last comment…right now you do not need to even enter a cc if you want to trade.

Beckett is not the “CD of the month club” who hopes you forget to cancel. It may not happen in Jan anyway, but it won’t AT LEAST until then.

Thanks for the great (and very literate) comment by the way!

Comment by ejahnke

@ Icecreamtruck–

You can “Select all”–just hit “all” and that selects all of the cards, on all of the pages you have just pulled up.

You can also just select the page you see.

Try typing “help” into the search bar if I am not explaining right, or ask again, it’s hard to tell what folks mean in type sometimes.

Comment by ejahnke

@The Cheese Stands Alone–

I doubt Al Muir has ever visited the blog, but I can’t say that for sure…

Regardless, I am 99% sure that the poster Al Bundy—is not Al Muir. I think he’d have things to do other than make believe.

As for me, I am really nobody important. I run the blog.

Our Director of Sports Data Publishing just had a baby, and he is really a cute kid, too.

Comment by ejahnke

I cant hit “all” because it is impossible to select all of nothing. The collection is empty I want to fill it.

After figiting around for about an hour I found out how to do it.

One suggestiong though that I would like to make here because it seems no one really answers questions on the message board. Your the only person that seems to actually care.
Anyway, when in a collection, you can sort the cards by, RC, Auto, Mem or #’d. In stead of sorting the collection, I wouldnt mind seeing it only showing the Auto’d cards when Auto is selected. Would be nice to orgainze the collection into small more manageable sections and show how much the particular part of out collection is worth.
Thanks
I.C.T

Comment by IceCreamTruck

@ICT–

I guess I did not get what you were saying at first, but I am glad you figured it out…sorry.

I know what you mean by the AU thing, completely. I think that is planned for future builds though.

What I do is sort by AU, then select that entire page, and make a collection out of it. Then I go to page 2 and do the same thing, but I add all the AU cards from page 2 to the collection I made from page 1. Hopefully the AU’s won’t run past 2 pages…if you select so that you can view 100 records at a time (under Options) it usually won’t go past 2 pages.

Of course, that depends on how you have the collections broken down already (how big each one is). Right now the site is so slow that it can be frustrating, but it will get better!

Hope that makes sense…but that AU sorting (or Mem, or whatever) is one thing I am not thrilled with at the moment, it’s a tweak that is coming though.

Comment by ejahnke

Quote:
Our Director of Sports Data Publishing just had a baby, and he is really a cute kid, too.

Who is cute? The Director or the Baby :)
trying to lighten the mood, just for a second or two

Comment by Torcan07

The child is very, very cute….the Director is…well….he’s the Director of SDP, and we all do love him dearly.

:)

Comment by ejahnke

Funny you mention that there are more traders, but if no one can figure out to trade they will quickly turn to other sites. That is happening now. All of the other sites I have been on just to toy with things (because beckett was home) have had a major influx of new members. Its very evident that although you had a major spike in traffic on day one, that may be the last time you ever see that many people on again. I Will try and stick it out. Im trying to figure out to trade and it is very difficult, this is going to drive away a ton of folks.

Comment by Ryo1549

I am glad you will stick it out, Ryo1549. Once the “engine” of the site is running right it will be OK.

By the way…Brett Favre is now a Jet….(will make another post, but it’s exciting news)

Comment by ejahnke

So you want me to help you guys out and user test your new system of how to do something, give you feed back on how it all works.

Then after I’m used to how it works, you can start charging me to use it? No thanks. Good luck though.

Comment by Babs

“That does not mean we don’t care about them, but changes had to be made to our website or it was doomed. ”

That was all I needed to read. Was doomed? Hope you’ve been negotiating a good severance package for yourself, because Beckett IS doomed with the launch of this website, for at least a dozen different readons, only some of which include useability, the message boards, and the cash grab that is the trading fees (when they kick in).

I’ve been frustrated with Beckett for some time, but I’ve finally cut the cord… between the bad decisions made around your publications, the complete inaccuracies of the pricing inside them (I am not giving BM any more information for free if I’m going to be talked AT like that by AM), and the snobby attitude of some of the staff…

Comment by cards-gotta-go

@ejahnke
Any ideas on when the “broken, overloaded” server will no longer be broken or overloaded?

Comment by Jeffrey

@ cardsgottago– Sorry if AM “talked AT you” in a way that upset you, but who is AM??

There is a lot of misconception about our new magazine format, what is it that is bothering you? If you want single-sport titles, they are still there, just not monthly. Baseball is 8 times a month, Basketball is 7, Football and Hockey are 6 times a month.

They are monthly during the season though.

I don’t think anyone is snobby, probably rushed.

Comment by ejahnke

@Jeffery–I have no idea, I think that nobody knows exactly.

In a very UN-technical explanation, it overloaded and basically can’t be “rushed” for fear the information will be lost.

I don’t know much more than that, and I can’t even begin to explain the technical jargon, because all I would do is repeat it, people would ask things about it, and I’d have to go bug someone to explain how to answer the question….ect…

Comment by ejahnke

The amount of information (whatever the exact unit and # is I don’t know) is over 120,000,000 cards.

Comment by ejahnke

Hey there.

Not a big dan of the new boards but i will not whine and complain like the rest of the posters here. I mean what really is the point to whine. The boards (trading boards as well) are what they are and were free to use for so many years. This is beckett’s sight and they can do what they want with it. If that drives away collectors then ok…but it might also draw in some other collectors who were turned off by the juvenile nature of many posters. Its a business decision plain and simple so freaking get over it people!!

Thank you for the many years of enjoyment and I will look at the boards on occasion. Good luck to everyone…its been a great ride.

Comment by mchenrycards

Edit….my 1st line should have been “not a big FAN”

Comment by mchenrycards

So let me get this straight… you are the only employee of Beckett Media responding to issues & concerns of its customers, but you’re “nobody important”. So they’re relying on information flow regarding the imploding of their customer base to an employee rather than anyone with any real authority or interest in the company?

I guess a good comparison would be the New Coke that came out years ago… instead of the President, Chairman or Director of Investor Relations responding to the customer backlash, the Coke delivery guy pulling into the local store would be the one responding to criticism. So you’re the Coke delivery guy. (no offense by the way – just how I’m reading your response)

From an investor’s point of view, and honestly from a customer & collector’s point of view, I’m insulted that no upper management has taken even one minute of time to respond to any of these concerns directly with the customers that buy your products, both print and online. Without us as customers, I dare say the future of Beckett Media is teetering on the edge of implosion. Updated your resume recently?

The Cheese

Comment by The Cheese Stands Alone

@mchenrycards –Thanks for the comment. We do hope the message board folks don’t all go, and we do hope that new collectors come along and find this to be an accepting place for everyone…

…and no worries on the edit. I am the worst typer on the planet (but I can edit my own stuff). :)

Comment by ejahnke

@The Cheese Stands Alone–

I am not the only one responding, they are out there, but mostly in the help section right now due to all the people who need help and are not just venting.

I don’t mind being yelled at a little, and our upper management folks are out here as well. This is not the only thing we do though, and things must go on in publishing, marketing, sales…they can’t just abandon what they are doing to help one department.

I am not really the New Coke delivery guy, I am the UPS man.

Comment by ejahnke

I just came back to the Hobby after taking almost 10 years off, since I came back I have purchased multiple OPG from Beckett, I enjoyed the articles and box break videos on the old site but in the last 4 days my opinion for Beckett has gone down so much it’s not even funny and I can honestly say that I’m not going to be giving you guys anymore of my business weather it be Price Guides, Grading, etc. The way I’ve been dealt with and treated, the way I’ve seen other people get treated and the condescending attitude of people either on the phone or even on this blog have lead me to that decision.

Apparently I’ve been suspended from accessing my account due to “spamming”. In threads people asked about other “Free” trading sites and I told them, I take full responsibility for my actions, I’m not debating the merits of if what I did was wrong or not. What I’m upset about it being locked out of my OPG and then getting a response saying we’ll just charge back the difference instead of giving me access to what I paid for. Why I am not allowed to finish up my subscription? Is it because everything is all tied together now and Beckett can no longer deny someone access to the message board but allow them access to the OPG like they could on the old/better site?

Comment by Justin

I have a question about the Organize section. I admit I am still a little fuzzy on the purpose of adding to My Organize and THEN to My Collection. I can get past that for now. Since I only collect Dallas Cowboys cards I decided to add cards to My Collection by player. I enter the player name, say Troy Aikman, in the search bar and in the results add all his card in one click to My Organize. I then selected all the various Aikman cards I had and deposited them in My Collection.

Here’s my question. Say down the road I pick up a 2010 Aikman Exquisite Auto, since I have already added his cards to My Organize do the new cards produced over time automatically populate in My Organize?

Hope I was clear. Thanks.

Comment by cowboysonly

I never could figure out why “the cheese stands alone” in that nursery rhyme. I guess it had to end somehow.

Comment by Pepper Hastings

@Justin – I don’t know the details of what happened, or any of the criteria that would need to be met for someone to get suspended. That is the first time I have ever heard of anyone getting suspended. I probably couldn’t help you…sorry.

@cowboysonly- That made my brain hurt.

Just kidding, I understood you perfectly….but I have no idea. That feature would be incredible, and I will ask if that is possibly something that will come along in the future.

Comment by ejahnke

Thanks for the reply.

I guess the answer you are telling me is “No” – at least for now.

In that case I will add to my organize only the cards that I intend to put in my collection .

My original plan was to create a reservoir of Cowboys cards that exist, but I do not own yet, and have them readily at hand in my Organize to select and deposit in. This is pointless though if the player lists do not update with new cards as they are created.

Maybe I am trying too hard haha.

Comment by cowboysonly

UPS never had a product rollout backlash the size of Mt. Saint Helen’s.

So Coke guy… you’ve heard from many upset members and people have said that they are gone from Beckett for good. Would you not recommend to your upper management a review of their decision? Losing people who use a free service is one thing; losing customer base who buy your mags, your online price guide and shop in your marketplace is drastically different.

Pepper… the cheese always stands alone, at the top. I used to share the top with a certain website prior to implosion. ;)

Comment by The Cheese Stands Alone

@The Cheese Stands Alone–

Ah, yes they did…actually it was not a product, it was a lack of production, and it was more like Pompeii than that little mess in Washington.

The great UPS strike of 1997….and what glorious days those were….*sigh*

Regardless, I would not recommend much to those upper management folks. They are doing what they need to do, as choppy as it seemed the past 3.5 days.

It only gets better…

Comment by ejahnke

how many more days of “it will only get better” are we going to read about?

Late thursday and My Collections still hasn’t transferred over……….this is far from being ridiculous anymore.

Comment by Reed Newman

I guess until it’s worked out. If we knew, we’d sure tell you all.

Comment by ejahnke

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Add me to the list of people too stupid to understand the new website. No I’m not one of the message board people who you say is a primary complainer. I’ve never posted on the boards although I’ve read them a few time.

Watch the videos and I’ll understand? I actually was going to try that, even though I think a website is poorly designed if you have to train people to use it, but I’m so stupid I couldn’t find the videos. I did find 3 of them under Discuss, but they didn’t look like the tutorials I needed to see and I couldn’t figure out how to get to the other tutorials.

I’m even too dumb to find this blog through the Beckett site. I had to go through a card blog site to find a link to this blog.

You’d think I’d know how to navigate a website. After all, I helped design our company’s website for a company spin off. I thought our relatively simple site was idiot proof, but there were still customers who couldn’t understand it. I can’t imagine any of our customers trying to navigate through this.

Comment by NTXCoog

I haven’t been able to add cards to my collections (or whatever it’s called now) since the big switch.

My subscription is up for renewal soon, but if I can’t add cards there’s no way I’m going to sign back up. Waste of time and money. I’m sure others here feel the same way.

I predict a HUGE drop in revenue for Beckett.com …

Comment by bulldog_front

cowboysrule: I just tried out something similar with a set. It won’t add things automatically, but it won’t duplicate cards that are always there.

I went into a set, and added 3 cards out of a 120 card set. Then, I clicked on the button to add the entire set. I got a message that 117 cards had been added to my collection. I guess for a player collection, you could just add everything for your player after a couple of products, and it should just add the new ones.

Its not automatic updates, but it looks like it works better than trying to add everything multiple times, and sort through it that way.

Comment by thehamiltonian

Heck, I can’t even get logged in to complain about what everyone hates. Sure, I can log in normally when I first get to Beckett.com, but when I try to go to my OPG, then I’m supposed to give you some new magical sign in info. My log in is a user name, not an email address. But, whatever, that’s besides the point here.

I’ve been running message boards for about ten years now, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why Beckett is trying to reinvent the wheel. People like to talk about stuff (like, oh, sports cards…and it makes a site sticky, it gives people a cyber home, where they make friends & enemies, learn things, teach things, etc.) – it’s not a new concept, it doesn’t need to be made into a new concept. They’ve pretty much perfected the message board wheel, and there’s absolutely NO reason why Beckett can’t give the message board users what they want. There’s no reason they can’t rethink what is obviously a very large problem right now. Why can’t they just give the users a darned message board like they’re used to? How could that hurt anyone?

As for the overloaded server? Get another server. And another one. And another one, until you finally have enough to handle the traffic.

As for the video tutorials – ugh. I’ve been using websites & running websites for a long time now, and if it requires watching a tutorial to use a website that I’ve used for years, just because they decided to upgrade, they’re doing something wrong. This site doesn’t need a fancy new “concept” that’s like nothing anyone has ever seen before. It’s a website about cards, not string theory.

The basics of the site should be simple (like they were), where anyone can show up and immediately and intuitively know how to use it. You can pretty it up and add extra features (like whatever your new trading thing is), but to wipe out a successful & simple to use site and replace it with “the wave of the future” that needs video tutorials is simply bad business. Worse than bad business (it’s not even about the money), it’s inconsiderate to its users. Imagine some long-term collector coming home after a long day at work, wanting to check in with his board pals and maybe add a couple of things to his collections. Instead, he’s told that the message boards don’t exist anymore, that nothing is called what it used to be called, that he’ll have to watch video tutorials in order to figure out how to use a site that he’s used for years…and then he finds out, oh by the way, his collections are 6,327th in the queue to be moved to the new site. Why would anyone want to work to relearn something they’ve already learned?

While other sites try to make their sites easier and easier to use (like Amazon, for instance), Beckett knows better? What I can’t understand is how so many people were involved and they all agreed to FUBAR the original site. Not that the original site didn’t have some of its own problems, like deleting all the posts over three months old on the board. What’s that all about? Storage is cheap nowadays, why not have a message board with years of good information on it?

To not automatically have everyone’s collections transferred is beyond ridiculous. Okay, if you didn’t want to transfer dead accounts, only auto transfer the accounts that had been used in the past six months. If the dead account people came back, THEN they could request their collections be moved too. But to have people waiting in a huge queue for the privilege of having their data moved….it’s just dumb. You had months and months and months of beta testing and no one ever thought to move the collections then? No one thought that users might immediately want access to their cards???

I’ll tell you why all these simple to solve problems (in my opinion) concern me. On September 1st, I was getting ready to fork over a bunch o’ cash to start up my new online sports card store, using Beckett Marketplace (and channel integration)…and this mass exodus is kind of scary. I have 250k+ cards just waiting to find new homes, and when those new homes are moving to other cities, it’s a tad bit disconcerting. I think some good common sense would’ve made this wave o’ the future thing work, but if everyone working at Beckett thinks what they’ve done is a good idea, that concerns me business-wise. What other surprises are waiting for me in the future?

Comment by Knancy

What people are not understanding is that it is a very easy website to navigate and very easy to operate.

It’s just different.

You don’t NEED to watch videos to understand it. Where that came from, I don’t know.

There is a huge FAQ section, click on the ? or type ‘help’ into the search bar.

I wish everyone would slow down, stop listening to all the false information being spread by those who think complaining will bring back their old boards, and realize that this is easy…it’s just different.

It’s not a case of stupid or smart, it’s taking a moment to listen to those who know or listening to people complaining.

I am telling you to grasp the concept first, then navigate…there is tons of help, click the ? in the top right corner.

Trying to figure it out yourself is only going to make you confused if you have not already thrown out everything you knew about the old site.

It’s not linear, it’s not basic, but it is easy…very easy.

Comment by ejahnke

ejahnke said: “You don’t NEED to watch videos to understand it. Where that came from, I don’t know. ”

Just look at YOUR original post.
Point#1 “Way too many people just got on the new site and started doing things without using the tutorials.”
Point #2 “The pricing is there. Take the time to watch the videos, ask the right questions, and you will ‘get it.'”

99% of all websites I can use without tutorials, videos, FAQs, etc. There may be occasional issues that I need to view FAQs or a tutorial, but the basic website functionality never requires that. This layout does.

You keep saying that it’s easy, just different. If it’s so easy, the FAQ tab shouldn’t have 126 questions. The FAQs are longer than the manual for my digital camera which has a ton of features. But I could use my digital camera out of the box without tutorial even though I had never used one before.

I know you don’t intend to, but by continually saying it’s easy, we’re just thinking about it wrong, is insulting our intelligence. You’ve said that this site is different than any other on the web. Maybe there’s a reason for that. Other sites are easy to use and designed for consumer convenience. This site attempted that, but failed miserably.

You keep saying that no amount of complaining will take the site back to the way it was. I’m not asking for that and I’m sure many others don’t care what the format is. We just want a site that’s easy to use whether it’s the old format, this new format, or something unlike either the old or new sites. This isn’t it.

Comment by NTXCoog

I can only assume Beckett’s magazines will still be printing and there must be a Web presence for them to go on, but does anyone else think this is Beckett’s last stand? It seems like if they realize their financial goals with this new version of their Web site, then maybe they’ll keep it running for a while.

If not, then they will probably go towards a direction, where they’ll scale things down. Everything as far as the Web site /magazine will be marginalized and Beckett’s parent company will find a way to put less time/money in to this endeavor.

Next thing you know, the Beckett Web site will be as relevant as Tuff Stuff’s Web site.

Comment by Larry

Eric,

Your people need to understand that the majority of the public think linearly.
If I click on A, it will take me to A, not somewhere else. Anything other than that is bad web design.

You even posted on one of your Beta tester’s blogs… someone who admitted he didn’t take it very seriously… think he’s the only one?

From my perspective, this new website is not about the hobby, message boards, search engines or anything like that. It’s about money – extracting as much money as possible from hobbyists. Beckett Media will soon realize that it has ticked people off in such a way that your sales on OPG and printed magazines are about to drop sharply. I know of shops that are cancelling OPGs and will stop carrying your magazine, and I’m sure there will be many more. Just watch. IF it still matters to you.

Comment by cards-gotta-go

“What people are not understanding is that it is a very easy website to navigate and very easy to operate.”

E, here’s an experiment. I’d like you to go to a local coffee shop and randomly pick 10 people. Bring them back to Beckett’s offices and with no explanation, have them sit down at computers and ask them to find a specific something on your site.

If three of them can do it without repeatedly asking for help, I’ll eat my hat.

What you and Beckett are not understanding is if the vast majority of us don’t get your web site at first blush, it’s not easy to navigate and operate — and we’re not coming back to try and learn YOUR system. There are plenty of other places to go and use the system we already know.

If you’re hoping that Beckett’s content will bring people back to wade through the muck as you make changes, perhaps. But the stuff I enjoyed (box breaks, message boards, etc.) can easily be found on the other sites also. If you’ve given people a reason to go elsewhere and they find it satisfactory, why would they come back to you (and we’re not even talking about paying for trading).

Do you think we’re all saying this because we hate Beckett? No, we’re saying it because it’s true. If this is, as you said earlier, “what we have now. I can’t change it,” well, good luck to you. It’ll be a damned shame to watch your site crash and burn because folks at the upper echelon of the company are too stubborn or foolhardy to reverse their mistakes.

Comment by Wayne Frazer

2 things.

1st – I just wanted to know why I was banned or lost my account with beckett after I posted saying what I thought was a huge flaw in the website (talking about how you are able to change your username ). I said that I though this was unsafe and opened up windows for scammers and past scammers to come back and rip people off.
Gave an example on how they could change their name to something similar to someone else’s, and do it that way. Honestly, people only glance at the username.
Anyway just wanted to say that I dont undertstand why I was kicked off for that, and that I do honestly think that is a huge put off from trading on that site, (especially when you will eventually have to pay)

2nd – The only part of the new beckett that I someone like is the My Organize (aside from the name, My Organize sounds imcomplete. Organizer would sound better).
Just wanted to say that people will only learn how to use something available when its the only thing out there of its kind (your online organizer). People want to have their collections managed somewhat, they will learn to use it. But as for the message board, people dont have to learn how to use becketts, because there are other ones out there that dont need any tutorials or FAQs to learn how to navigate or post.

Ok, this is the last thing. Wanted to say kudos to you for replaying to all these questions and comments. Your doing more work here, then I have seen mods and other Beckett employees do on the message board since the new launch.

Thanks
J.S.J

Comment by J.S.J

Just wondering, the little image in the bottom right corner that indicates there is a picture gallery… am I crazy or is that a Griffey #1 RC?

Maybe I’ve just been up way too long tonight…

Comment by Jon Hay

Well said, Wayne.

I’m an editor for a daily paper that has one of the highest readership percentages in the nation, and we operate by a similar philosophy with our Web site and even our print edition. You’ve got to make things easy for your readers (customers) our they’re going to bail.

I’ve been giving Beckett’s new site a chance. I watched a couple of tutorials but, frankly, I thought they insulted my intelligence. I waited a whole day for my collections to transfer, and I’ve tried in vain to add new cards each day since the switch. It’s just not working out.

It’s a shame, too, because the old Beckett site is what got me back into collecting. I hadn’t bought a pack of baseball cards since 1987 before I stumbled on the site. Now I have more than I know what to do with.

As I said before, I’m not renewing my Beckett subscription if these problems aren’t ironed out soon. I assume a lot of other customers feel the same.

The defensive attitude from the employee running this blog doesn’t help matters, either.

Comment by bulldog_front

No one will answer my question, and I cannot find the discussion thread I posted it in, so I’ll try here.

Within my collection, the price displayed for the cards I own is the Beckett HI price, but it does not adjust based on the condition of my card, like it used to in old setup. It really does me no good to see that a card is worth $100, when my card is in Good condition and only worth $10, for example.

This makes the whole site useless for what I use it for.

Is this a temporary problem or is that feature gone forever??

Comment by Randy

It must run in our blood, Bulldog — I used to be GM of a small newspaper.

Simple, simple, simple … or people will find their info somewhere else.

Comment by Wayne Frazer

Like other writers before, I never write in blogs or webposting sites but it seems everyone here shares in my pain. I liked the old site. A place where me and my wife can comfortably organize our cards and price them. I’ll pay for that!
Now with the new site, I have been reading for 4 days now and still cant even get to any of the pricing. First it said I have to have a new subscription before I could use the new site to I did it. nothing changed. Everytime I search for cards, it says I have to “purchase a subscription”. NO. I already had a good one and bought a second, Im not about to buy a third. Like the other person somewhere above me, I couldn’t find any videos useful and also didn’t even find this in their site. It was googled.
I can remember when I was little, I loved buying the magazines and writing down the prices to every one of my cards. I simply don’t have the time to do that now and really wanted this site to work. Too bad.
If anyone has any suggestions to what Im doing wrong and why I cant see any prices, please let me know, maybe Im missing something.

Comment by jake

Wow!!! What a mess in here. But look at the bright side…I think you’ve just smashed the previous record for post-comments! Way to go, ejahnke!!!

I admit, I only read about the first 30 comments or so…so please accept my apology if I’m saying something already said.

For a living, I help implement large technology solutions for big-businesses. Here are just a few lessons learned from various implementations:
1) The biggest part of any technology implementation is rarely the technology, it’s the change.
2) People generally hate and almost always resist change! Even good change.
3) Customer experience is more important than “cool” features.
4) Mistakes happen. That’s not the problem. The real problem is how companies RESPOND when they make mistakes.

Now, for some practical solutions for the next go-round (as any good consultant would provide):
1) Never underestimate and under-budget the change management effort!!! It should be it’s own MAJOR project thread, with a full-blown change management budget, strategy, plan and support model.
2) A phased project approach should always be used. The Big-bang doesn’t really explain how we got here and it is rarely the best approach for a technology implementation.
3) Users should be trained BEFORE rolling out new technology, not after it. This is particularly true if the technology changes are fairly significant.
4) Anticipate questions/comments/complaints/backlash (see lesson learned # 2 above) and have dedicated support staff on-hand to address them in real-time (in-person is ideal but that wouldn’t have been realistic in your case…so perhaps a FREE live chat service?).
5) Own up to your mistakes (you get an A+ on this one) and do whatever it takes to fix the problems as quickly as possible.

All that being said…only in America would an angry mob form because a hobby/trading website wasn’t available for a few hours, days, weeks or EVER!

Comment by coddida

This new BETA site is full of bugs, its so bad I can’t even enter any of my cards until the bugs are fixed. Before the switch over, I got a 6 month OPG subscription. Now I’m waiting for the bugs to be fixed, and my OPG Subscrption is being ate away as I wait.
My main problem is I can’t enter the same card as a second line. If I have 1,000 duplicate cards, I want to be able to click a button and it adds it to my collection. I don’t want to click on the button, add it to my orginize, goto my orginize scroll down the list, try and find it- click on the little check box, click on ACTIONS, and add it to my desired collection. Then I have to goto that collection, find the card, grade it. If I want to add a comment, which I can’t do yet I assume I would have to click on the card, and enter the information in.
I like the way it was before- it was EASY. You clicked on your collection- searched for your card, clicked on the card grade it, add your note, and click submit. If I had multiple cards from the same set I could easily scroll down the list and select it. Now I have to type in every single card sepertly that I need.
My opition, as I repeat my self. Too many bugs for a public release. If your going to improve something, you don’t start from scratch- you add to it and improve it. If you would of added to it, you wouldn’t even have that bug that I’m talking about.

Comment by Tom

Wow, I will never catch up, but will try–

@NTXCOOG- Indeed, you do not have to watch the videos…still not sure why you are pointing that out? There are more than just video tutorials, maybe that was not clear to you?
I don’t mean to insult anyone’s intelligence, and realize that generalized statements often seem aimed at ALL the people when it’s aimed at a select few.

There were SO many messages with “F— you, I am not going to watch your **** video, give me back my message board post count.” or “I will not watch the tutorial, I should know how to use it right away!” –that I lost count.

I can’t help those that won’t try and just want to curse at me. That is probably why you would get that feeling at times–but things like that are not aimed at the majority of people who I approved comments for here. Sorry if you got that feeling…your comments have been rational and useful.

Comment by ejahnke

@Wayne & Bulldog —
Yes, the number one rule of journalism…write for a sixth-grade reading level. Maybe that has something to do with people feeling talked down to a bit? I don’t know, but I am not defensive, nor am I talking down to anyone. I really want to help, and I have seen the Web site work properly without being bogged down by the Monday mess. I know we are beyond the halfway point now and things can only get better (thank God!).

Anyway, it’s hard to convey “feeling” in print, for me at least. I have found it’s best to just write the way I would talk to someone, and hope for the best.

Comment by ejahnke

@Randy– I am not sure on that one. I will find out what I can…that should not have changed, but maybe it was turned off to ease the collections mess??

Comment by ejahnke

@JSJ – I don’t know anything about anyone being banned, or the process/criteria involved–that is not my turf. I wish I could help you there.

For what it’s worth, “My Organize” drives me nuts too…:)

Comment by ejahnke

The No. 1 rule in journalism is this: Accuracy, accuracy, accuracy …

And I don’t think Beckett.com users are against change, they just want to be able to use the site.

I bought a subscription for a reason. I wanted to keep track of my cards and their values. For the past week, I haven’t been able to do that, and my money is going down the drain.

Beckett’s drain.

P.S. You said you’re not sure why people are under the impression that they have to watch the tutorial videos in order to use the site correctly. Well, you said this in your original post. Go read it again. Your tone isn’t the most customer-friendly. In fact, it comes off like: “The site is slow and keeps crashing because you people are just clicking around willy-nilly trying to figure things out on your own when you should be watching the videos.”

Comment by bulldog_front

“To prevent me from sounding like I know what I am talking about, and then having to answer technical questions about it, everything overloaded from the huge traffic spike and simply froze itself up (crashed.)”

“The information is there, it is just not moving very fast right now. Things just broke. This is a hardware issue, not a problem of the site, and we are doing all we can to get it hammered back into place.”

@Bulldog–Honestly, I have no idea how you came up with that…but sorry you concluded I was saying something I wasn’t. My fault for not being clear enough…

It’s a fine line between over-repeating and being seen as “talking down,” and saying it enough times so that I am understood.

———————————————–

Ah, yes, I love sound bytes…:)

“The pricing is there. Take the time to watch the videos, ask the right questions, and you will “get it.””

Taking that single sentence from the second point I made is either twisting my words intentionally, or I was not clear enough before when I said tutorials…perhaps I should have expanded on that because the videos are not the only tutorials. “Take the time to watch the videos,” was aimed at the folks who did not understand something and said “I refuse to take time to learn a new website.”

Of course, not everyone said that–I pointed that out as well.

Comment by ejahnke

Eric – As a token of goodwill, maybe Beckett should give everyone a one-month credit for their Online Price Guides?

I don’t think there would be too many complaints considering the new site launch problems and users not having access to their collections and OPGs.

Comment by JRJ

Hey, how come the new version of My Collections doesn’t give the collection’s value? The way you all do your magazines now, it is real hard to go through and price 500+ cards of one player.

That being said, I did find a positive aspect of the site in that new search tool. It’s the best card research database I have ever seen. It does have flaws, but it has a good start going. For example, the only 2008 UD Football Heroes cards in it are the Bronze parallels of the legends.

Comment by Harner

The total feature is turned off for right now, it will be back on–not 100% sure when.

I am glad you are digging the database, I agree that it is pretty good stuff.

Pictures are being uploaded like crazy–this is going to really help people like me who need to “see” things.

Comment by ejahnke

@JRJ – Not sure what the plans are there…out of my realm.

Comment by ejahnke

Has there been any reports of logon issues to the new site? I am almost positive I am using the correct credentials to logon on to the organize piece of the site and am getting an invalid email / password combo. Then when it says forgot password, i follow those instructions and receive the same thing. These are the same credentials I used over and over again on the old site.
This makes things very frustrating because you trust your site to ogranize your collection and now are unable to logon to view it. I hope there is a way to obtain that information. Thx!!

Comment by baseballcollector

Hey just to make sure I understand what you’re saying, the collection prices will be back eventually?

Comment by Harner

I also want to mention that the pictures are also very helpful for me when I am researching stuff for my blog and SCF Articles. It actually helped me improve a piece I did about sticker vs. on-card autos last week. It’s like Beckett knew what I wanted on that front. Maybe I should work for you guys…lol

Comment by Harner

@baseballcollector – There have been login issues, and a bunch of them, due to people having two different log-ins.

Some people had one for the message boards and a different one for Beckett.com. This has been confusing to some people who can’t remember both of them.

I am not sure how to recover the passwords ect., if you can’t remember one or the other…I’ll ask someone if that is possible.

@ Harner–Yes, they will be back eventually. And I am glad it’s helping you, the added search features are great. I need to get in there and build my collections now.

Comment by ejahnke

@ Jake – Sorry, trying to catch up and missed you…

There aren’t any issues with the pricing as far as I have heard, except people are looking for something that isn’t there (???).

It looks different, but they are there. I wish I could see what you are seeing so I could help more….

Comment by ejahnke

First I would like to thank you ejahnke for responding back. It makes me feel a lot better that there is actually someone concerned and working on the problems. Cheers!

The site recognizes I have a baseball pricing subscription till Sep. 19th. When I go to search for cards in a set (like 2008 topps baseball), it gives me a list to choose from but under the beckett value column it says, “click here to purchase pricing” . Again, my account says I’m good till Sep 19th but it keeps asking for another subscription. ??? any ideas???

Comment by jake

@Jake–

OK, I see what you are seeing (I think)–and I forgot what is turned off right now that is causing that. Ignore it (if it’s what I am seeing under Beckett Value…).

Search 2008 Topps, choose one of the sets–when you go to the set page, hit the Price tab (second one over).

That should bring up the list of card prices.

Let me know if that is not your issue and I will try again.

Comment by ejahnke

ejahnke, seriously, thank you. That worked great. I will keep quite and give this a chance. Good luck!

Comment by jake

I’ve just been trying to price some 2002-03 Pacific Crown Royale Dual Patches. If I search by the individual player, the price comes up. If I click eight times to get to the subset, there’s no pricing. If I search for 2002-03 Crown Royale, I get no returns at all.

This is the system I’m supposed to slow down and learn to use? It’s exactly why so many people are angry — is there some great benefit to relearning your all-new search function, which right now does a lousy job of returning results?

The sixth-grade reading level has nothing to do with condescension. Tone and choice of words does. If you can’t see it in your own work, do what most writers do — get an editor. If you have one right now, fire him or her and find another.

I won’t even ask how Bulldog accurately quoting you is “twisting your words”.

Anyhow, as I said before, Eric, good luck. I’ll check in on occasion in the hope the OPG I’m paid up for through October actually becomes useful again.

Comment by Wayne Frazer

@jake- I am glad I could help! :)

@Wayne–I don’t know what to tell you there…I searched 2002-03 Crown Royale and the dual patches came up–4th one down.

I clicked on that, and then the price tab and got all I needed.

The 23-card subset, or are you looking for something else??

———————–

PS–Editor time…

“I won’t even ask how Bulldog accurately quoting you is “twisting your words”.

Should be–

“I won’t even ask how Bulldog accurately quoting you is “twisting your words.”

Punctuation inside the quotes…;)

Just having fun, mind you…

Comment by ejahnke

Beckett Behind The Scenes
Get the inside scoop on Beckett, collecting, and sports

This should be:

Beckett Behind The Scenes
Get the inside scoop on Beckett, collecting and sports

(The Oxford comma isn’t necessary in a simple series.)

Just having fun, mind you …

Comment by bulldog_front

Eric, thanks. Were you able to find out if there were any other ways to recover logon credentials or find out what they are? Also, I am guessing here that if I try to sign up again, it will say that email address already exists…. Is the old site completely inaccessible?
Again, anything new you can find out would be greatly appreciated because I would like to continue to use the site.

Comment by baseballcollector

:)

Touche!

Personally, I am a huge fan of the series comma. It depends on the editor and publication, but it’s frowned on here as a general rule.

As much as I would like to claim credit for that one, I cannot…though I could change it.

Comment by ejahnke

Thanks for the blog, I HOPE people read it. There are no longer message boards in the old sense. Beckett is trying a new concept. They are drastically changing the way we trade. It may work as long as there alot of people using it. I like the idea of non-message board people trading. There are alot of people who use my collections that don’t use the message boards often if not at all. There are even more who use the price guides that do not use the message boards. This was done to get them involved and get them to buy the price guides.

I think if the trading function is included with the online price guide fees then it could be a smooth transition. Everyone will have book values at their grasp (whether they use them or not to trade) and that is a great feature to have.

Comment by Jimmy Wolfrey

Series comma? That was Elon’s handiwork. I thought about changing it several times but . . . sumpin’ else always came up.

Comment by Pepper Hastings

I couldn’t figure out who to throw under the bus there…so I threw generic man.

:)

Comment by ejahnke

@baseball collector (and many other folks)–

Not sure if this applies in your case(s), but be sure to use your email add. when you log on to the new site, not your user name.

Also, there are many people who have message board ID’s and beckett.com ID’s that are different.

Other than that, customer service is backed up trying to answer emails and calls, literally working their tails off, but they are getting there…

I am trying to answer as many PM’s as I can as well…

Comment by ejahnke

This website is full of bugs. These are bugs which makes it NON-USABLE.

My advice is: Roll back to the old beckett site. Let REAL users test out the new BETA SITE under a test account, or a clone of their account.

If all the bugs I found were corrected, I will like this site with the only expception of the easibility of adding a card. Its a 10 step process to add a card and grade it, find it, and add it to the correct collection. But it gets bad when you can’t add a duplicate card as a seperate line- that when you grade your card, it misterly changes it self to the next lower grade when you go back and view your collection. I can’t immange how hard its going to be to add a comment when they are avilable.

Is there a way we can know which bugs are being addressed and when they will be fixed? It will help take ALOT of fusteration away from me checking back everyday, not seeing its fixed: being told its going to be fixed, with no additional details.

Comment by Tom

It appears if I search by cards, I get the individual pricing. If I search by set, it says I’m not subscribed to beckett.com. Bug?

The punctuation always inside quotations is a hard and fast rule in the U.S that’s beginning to be viewed as somewhat illogical. The rule isn’t so set outside the States, and tends in Canada and the UK to centre on whether the material included in the quotation marks is a complete thought. Yours wasn’t, so period outside the closing quotation. I think it makes more sense.

Final thought — I have a customer standing in the store right now sorting through some singles. He just out of the blue asked me, “What do you think of the new Beckett site?” I said I was typing a message on your blog at the moment and he said, “I spent an hour on there two nights ago and I finally gave up.”

Just passing that along.

Comment by Wayne Frazer

cannot process request, mass confusion- hundreds of cards coming in every week cannot inventory- half the cards in the inventory dont have a descrption just a blank space- delays, script errors, frozen website- seems that this new site is not ready for primetime. my primary purpose on your site is to keep an accurate inventory and it seems quite impossible at the moment. with close to 100,000 cards listed in my collections. extremely frustrated – three to 4000 hours spent on your site to create this inventory. blake

Comment by blake h

I just want to mention that I was able to obtain my logon credentials and have since logged on. However, has anyone mentioned web browser incompatibilities with the new site? I am on a MAC and using Firefox 3.0.1 and find i can browse and see things fine. However in the organize part, any action i wish to do, results in nothing happening. Try the same in Safari, it works. I just wanted to see if those using the site are having difficulties with Firefox.

With that said, I am having the same frustration blake mentions above. very confused how to add cards to a collection, the Recently added doesn’t match my true # in my collection, things are checked off which I didn’t check (does it do some sort of intelligent mapping as to I need these cards to finish the set?). Why do I want to see Recently added be such a huge number when I don’t want the entire set in there, just a few cards from it.? Weird.

It just seems there is to be a HEAVY learning curve to use this site and can agree with others, the site just isnt ready for prime time.

Comment by baseballcollector

Hi Ejahnke, nice to see someone from beckett writes this much to their members and followers :) Just wanting a few questions answered please. Ok I have a year subscription to beckett and I was getting all the magazines, now I ONE, lol what kind of stuff is that!? i got over that awhile ago but I’m still pretty ticked, you’re just cheating me in the price in my opinion.

On another note, I used to have like 2000 posts, meaning I was pretty active daily on the beckett boards, and it’s not like I spammed all over the place. I used to find it dull but tolerable…now I want to kill myself because of the set up. Though over all that I could still tolerate the new site UNTILL you guys made the new “my collections” like it is. I NEED A TOTAL BECKETT VALUE BECKETT!!! I REALLY DO! I have probably spent over 20 hours entering around 4800 Gary Sheffield Cards Indiviudally into my collection and I NEED a total BV, I will cancel my subscription and everything I have in relation to beckett LITTERLY if the function is not enabled soon. Honestly I dont want to be another person who just complains but the site has potential, but Beckett needs to get on the ball QUICKLY and thats like starting a week ago, not today.

I’m losing interest in the hobby quickly just because of the my collections not totalling my beckett values all togather, it’s just not fun. Who cares if you have a list of cards, it’s not fun if you dont know how all them are totalled togather. Also if there was a button that you could view ALL your collection on ONE page that would be SPLENDID, but I know that wont happen anytime in the near feature, I dont even know why I threw that out there…Anyway I would love a response, Hope to hear from you soon! THANK YOU!

Comment by TJCloutier

@TJ– Normally I am not a short-answer person, but it’s Friday night and I am about to finally pack it in. :)

1. You can get Beckett Football, Beckett Baseball, Beckett Basketball and Beckett Hockey still. (if that is what you meant by “all” the magazines–we publish tons more like Pokemon, Madden, fantasy sports, Hannah Montanna…ect.)

Beckett Sports Card Monthly is just one of the sports magazines. The thing about the single-sport magazines is that we are publishing them monthly during the season…

For example, a new Beckett Football is out now,(with Tony Romo on the front) and will continue to come out every month until Super Bowl-time, then it will go back to not being published monthly–

2. The total value feature is turned off until the collection migration is over…I have no idea why that feature bogs things down so much, but it does. Once the servers are hammered into place they will turn that back on.

Comment by ejahnke

Ok so right now since I have like 4 sports coming to me and one to my son…then I’ll recieve the BIG issue of all the sports and then football etc depending on the season? If I’m correct….or do I have to like go online to beckett and somehow in the whole jumble there, fix my settings? Also Why is the total BV turned off? Was there complications? And around how long would you say until it’s turned back on? Because I’d like to add my cards asap, and while I can atm I’d like to add all the bv’s up right now and I have a lot to enter. Right now I’m forced entering them in manually with Microsoft Excel and it’s a lot of uncessary work that the my collection tool that I pay for SHOULD do for me. So lets not beat around the bush here and you tell me ESTIMATE how long it’ll take for the feature to be back? I’m not going to hold you to your word but I’m just saying I’m anxiously awaiting this feature back and I’d like to count on something. So being a beckett employee what are we talking a month? Longer? If so how long? Please let me know! :) thanks man, again it’s nice that someone from beckett actually takes time to respond to members!

Comment by TJCloutier

@TJ–Honestly I have no idea. I will try to get a timetable Monday if there is one..

It was turned off temporarily, it works, but it was being exploited by some people and causing issues.

Comment by ejahnke

What do you mean it was exploited by people? A total BV exploited? I dont get it… When you get a timetable could u post it here? Or email me at timjcloutier@verizon.net and just tell me how long? I know you prob wont email me but it would be nice if you could just post it here. Just a time table, again I wont blame u if its longer or anything…I’m actually doing my whole collection in Excel as we speak just incase beckett screws up another good thing…but not your fault. This will take me like 5 hours to do…that something should already do for me. But anyway thanks for responding and it’d be great if you could let me know! Will check back! Thanks!

Comment by TJCloutier

It was a free feature, but people were creating tons of one card collections so they could get free pricing.

Will see what I can find out today…

Comment by ejahnke

Alright man, just lmk here it’d be great to know! Thanks!

Comment by TJCloutier

the site is getting worst , one, cannot process request after another. heres a wierd tidbit every time i go to page 14 on a collection it gives me the f5 treatment- my biggest frustration is there are hardly no card descriptions next to the card- i dont know what im looking at, the only way i know for sure is to switch to gallery view count the spots then switch back to list view- ive spent money and time(3 to 4 thousands hours over the last eight plus years creating this collection and buying from your dealers.) i am getting ready to hand coalate my collection in excell( 100,000 plus cards) and use scd for pricing if this site is not functional by the end of the month.

Comment by blake h

Just FYI–I am submitting every single thing written here, so it’s not falling on deaf ears…

Well, I am not submitting any 4 letter word filled rants… ;)

I guess the blog world has a higher-quality type critic…thanks for that.

(PS–@blake–that comment is in NO way directed at you, I just read some mail on the web site…vicious little, um, people)

Comment by ejahnke

@Blake

Did you fall asleep in English class? Reading your comment is like reading frontier jibberish. Capital letters and periods are our friends.

Comment by The Big Bad Chris

I’m curious why “I have another list of 5 things to cover tonight or tomorrow” was crossed out and you’re not doing a follow up blog post? Obviously it’s still on people’s minds as people are still posting comments on this post. Maybe it’s because you’ve addressed the issues in these comments.

People are still interested in the changes to the site. I think helpful hints, fun new features, known issues being worked on, etc would still be useful to users.

Comment by NTXCoog

Is there any official place on the Beckett site where issues are being addressed besides here?

For instance, When is the speed of the site going to be fixed?

Comment by Robert

Are we going to find out about the My Collections today as promised? Just wondering :)

Comment by TJCloutier

@NTXCoog, (and at Robert, too, at the end)– That list of 5 things was, in part, obsolete by the next day as they were issues that were fixed. Other things (and additional things) were addressed in the comments…

Off the top of my head- it was about opening multiple tabs, tagging posts, the ability to edit posts, a bigger window for posts…and I can’t recall the other one right off. There have been so many upgrades done already that I forgot what the second half of the Top 10 list even was…getting old, I guess.

Which brings me to the other question–

To get updates, and read what is going on, type H-E-L-P into the search bar. That will bring you to the help page (obviously, :) ), where you can click the NEWS or DISCUSS tab to get the latest.

Comment by ejahnke

@TJ – As far as I know, the total value feature was turned back on…is yours not working?? I could be mistaken though.

If it’s not, let me know what subscription(s) you have and your user name on the site…

Just PM me with that info, you can find me by putting ejahnke into the search bar and selecting “Collector.”

Comment by ejahnke

@Robert–

One thing I forgot, in regards to the speed of the site, is that if you are using IE, I HIGHLY recommend using Firefox–not just for our site, but for all things you do on the Internet.

IE is just too full of holes and garbage, and Microsoft always seems to “react” slower to issues on the Internet than Mozilla does.

Comment by ejahnke

I use IE and I’m fine with it…Firefox is just not satisfying to me ;) lol Anyway Ejahnke I sent a pm to you as mjclout I’m still not getting BV’s

Comment by TJCloutier

[…] Beckett has been scrambling around trying to do damage control .  Beckett recently wrote an informative post on their blog in which they wrote a controversial (but informative) analysis of the situation.  Here is an exerpt from the post, which can be found in it’s entirety on Beckett Behind The Scenes: […]

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I find this humourous:

[quote=ejahnke]As for me, I am really nobody important. I run the blog.[/quote]

I notice your current title at Beckett is “Editor, Beckett Media”. So much for your “nobody important” comment, eh? When Muir was fired I guess someone had to step up that towed the company line so well. Good luck Eric.

The Cheese

Comment by The Cheese Stands Alone

:) Well, thank you for the “good luck,” Cheese.

My title has just been simplified, it’s actually a lot less impressive-sounding than “Marketing Copywriter/Online Producer.”

That was just horribly long and far-too-important-sounding mess. I’d venture to say that most folks with a four-word title really don’t do much at all. I like things simple, since simple describes me so perfectly… ;)

Anyway, thanks again and I would like to wish the same to you in whatever it is you currently do, or eventually choose to do in life!

Comment by ejahnke




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